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by **Void Main** » Mon Mar 31, 2003 9:39 pm

by **Tux** » Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:57 am

bah, yet another distro to get....
Oh well, I am doing a reformat in two weeks ayway.

by **Void Main** » Tue Apr 01, 2003 11:34 am

I just finished writing the 3rd CD and I got my apt-get repository set up and am just about to attempt an "apt-get dist-upgrade" on a couple of my machines to see if it will work.

by **Calum** » Tue Apr 01, 2003 11:51 am

http://www.gurulabs.com/RedHatLinux9-review.html
"technical changes in red hat 9"

i'm not going to upgrade to RH9, i'll stick with RH8 for the time being, so i will be interested to see how you guys find RH9, and what you think once you've had a proper go of it.

by **Void Main** » Tue Apr 01, 2003 1:10 pm

Here's another review that's been out for a week:

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3119&page=1

Website · by **Ice9** » Tue Apr 01, 2003 1:37 pm

Based on what I read about RH9 I hesitate quite a lot to upgrade my exisitng RH8 install.
It would be very interesting to see what you have to say about it after upgrading yours ... especially if you can set up a repository to do it automatically via synaptic.

This quote from OSnews makes me wonder though

it did work ok on both machines but it also broke some of what I had installed on those systems, for example, Synaptic now no longer works, and Wine seems to have taken a nose dive also.

If you succeed in doing the upgrade and after that synaptic and apt4rpm refuse to work?

by **Void Main** » Tue Apr 01, 2003 8:10 pm

I didn't have any luck doing an upgrade via apt but I just finished upgrading my Laptop via the CD (edit: I have since been able to upgrade via apt. See this thread). There is an apt and synaptic for RH9 on FreshRPMS:

http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/redhat/9/apt/
http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/ ... /synaptic/

Maybe they weren't out yet when that article was written. I have set up an RH9 "os" repository so adding and removing distribution software in my house will go faster (actually I have both RH8 and RH9 repositories now). I need to set up an "updates" repo as well that checks/updates itself nightly. Then I don't have to eat any of FreshRPMS bandwidth except when I want FreshRPMS specific packages (MPlayer etc).

I did have a problem with the RH9 upgrade from CD on my laptop though. For some reason when booting the new kernel it required the "insmod.old" program in order to load the ext3.o module from the initrd, and that program didn't exist in the initrd. I didn't make a boot disk either. Luckily booting rescue mode from CD is quite useful now. I booted (with network not that it was required) and it mounted my root partition and I even could "chroot" so it was as if I had booted up my new install directly. I saw there was a "/sbin/insmod.old" and an "/sbin/insmod.static.old". I copied the /sbin/insmod.static.old" into the initrd for the 2.4.20-8 kernel (installed by the upgrade) as "/sbin/insmod.old" and rebooted. This time it booted up without a hitch.

If you ever have to add anything to your initrd this is how I added the above program to it from a rescue boot with the root filesystem mounted under /mnt/sysimage (the default on a rescue boot):

# chroot /mnt/sysimage
# zcat /boot/initrd-2.4.20-8.img > /tmp/initrd.dat
# mkdir /mnt/initrd
# mount /tmp/initrd.dat /mnt/initrd -o loop
# cp /sbin/insmod.static.old /mnt/initrd/sbin/insmod.old
# umount /mnt/initrd
# gzip < /tmp/initrd.dat > /boot/initrd-2.4.20-8.img

If you are considering doing an "Upgrade" install you might want to print this just in case. :)

I'm going to upgrade my main Desktop later this evening (that the rest of my family uses) after I play around a little more with it on this Laptop. I'll give my own review in the next day or two (and probably small bits here and there before that). I didn't do a scratch install so I couldn't tell if a lot of the installer had changed. From what I could tell it was very much like the installer from 7.x and 8.0.

by **Void Main** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 2:51 am

Well, I upgraded my main desktop and didn't have the boot issue (the missing insmod.old). I really had no problems other than I lost my TrueType fonts in the Mozilla that ships (I downreved from 1.3 to 1.2.1 that comes with RH9 to use the one that came with the distro). After reading a really nice document in the RH9 manuals I got it all straight. Everything seems to work. Everything seems just a little prettier and more organized than RH8. So far I have to give it a thumbs up, we'll give it a couple of days and see if my opinion changes.

I did install the new apt and synaptic and there were about 30 RPMs that already needed updating on my fresh RH9 install. Synaptic is different again, looks like I need to make a new screen shot and make an apt-get must have page for RH9. Everything went off without too much trouble. I do see it is still just as easy to lock up the "rpm" command though. I was hoping they would have fixed it but that doesn't appear to be the case.

And finally I got my nVidia and VMware drivers rebuilt and installed without too much trouble.

Regarding the "wine" issue. I noticed that wine/winex not only doesn't work in RH9 but it also doesn't work in RH8 if you have applied all the updates. This apparently is because Wine and GLIBC 2.3.2 don't like each other. So if you want wine don't upgrade to GLIBC 2.3.2, at least for now. I don't really use Wine so I didn't notice.

[edit]
I forgot to mention one thing that may or may not cause you a headache. After upgrading and a reboot I had an extra route in the routing table that caused me not to be able to get out. My internal network is "192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0" and the extra route that was added was "192.168.200.0/255.255.0.0". It happened on both machines and I discovered the problem quickly with a "netstat -rn" command. And removing it with a "route del blah blah" command. There is nothing in my configuration files that would add that route so I'm a bit befuddled on how it got there. Just thought I should add it in case you run into a similar problem. I do need to investigate this one further, it could cause problems if doing a remote reboot.
[/edit]

Website · by **Ice9** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 4:03 am

Regarding the "wine" issue. I noticed that wine/winex not only doesn't work in RH9 but it also doesn't work in RH8 if you have applied all the updates. This apparently is because Wine and GLIBC 2.3.2 don't like each other. So if you want wine don't upgrade to GLIBC 2.3.2, at least for now. I don't really use Wine so I didn't notice.

I did upgrade glibc to 2.3.2 and wine stopped working indeed.
But I went to their website and downloaded the latest rpm, reinstalled and it worked again.
I installed Nero Burning Rom after that.

by **Void Main** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 11:36 am

Ice9 wrote:I did upgrade glibc to 2.3.2 and wine stopped working indeed.
But I went to their website and downloaded the latest rpm, reinstalled and it worked again.

Went to who's web site and downloaded which RPM? I went to winehq.org and I don't see any RPMs for 2.3.2 available. I downloaded the latest binary from sourceforge.net for athlong/RedHat and it doesn't seem to work... Hmmmmm.

by **Void Main** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 11:47 am

Regarding my route issue I mentioned in a previous note. I said that I had an unexplained "192.168.200.0/24" route on both machine. That was not true, it was only on my laptop and it came from an "/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0.test" config file. I can only assume that I was previously playing with an ethernet config "ifcfg-eth0" in my previous install and then renamed it to "ifcfg-eth0" so it wasn't active any more. Apparently RH9 picked up on it and used it anyway.

Now there *was* a route that was added on both machines that confused me. It was "169.254.0.0/16" and it took me a little while to pin it down. Apparently this has something to do with some Apple networking something or other that I don't care about. Adding "NOZEROCONF=yes" to my "/etc/sysconfig/network" stopped this route from being added to my routing table. I assume it wouldn't have caused any trouble, I just like having a clean routing table.

Website · by **Ice9** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 3:03 pm

Went to who's web site and downloaded which RPM? I went to winehq.org and I don't see any RPMs for 2.3.2 available. I downloaded the latest binary from sourceforge.net for athlong/RedHat and it doesn't seem to work... Hmmmmm.

Sorry, I could've sworn that I donwloaded the rpm from winehq (I wrote this from work) but I checked my history and I donwloaded it from Sourceforge.net.

The package that solved my problems with glibc under Red Hat 8 is: wine-20030318-1rh8winehq.i686.rpm
and my glibc version is 2.3.2-4.80

by **Void Main** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 3:20 pm

That's pretty much the one I downloaded (except mine was for Athlon). My RH9 GBLIBC is 2.3.2-11.9. I'm downloading the *.src.rpm now and see if that will make a difference.

by **Tux** » Thu Apr 03, 2003 12:15 pm

Making Wine Run With glibc 2.3

^^^ That link tells you how to make wine work with glibc 2.3 although I havn't tried it yet but good look to ya.

by **Void Main** » Thu Apr 03, 2003 1:21 pm

Actually I tried that yesterday and couldn't get it to work. Apparently it is a fix for 2.3.1 but not 2.3.2. It appears that transgaming (winex) is also aware of the problem and are working on a solution. I'm in no hurry. :)

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