I understand this a computer related forum, but his is the lounge so here goes with my random question:
Do pistols have rifling?
I am guessing they don't as this is probably what differentiates rifles from other things, but anyway if anyone could tell me the answer that would be great.
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by Void Main » Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:45 pm
I think most pistols have had rifled barrels since we quit using black powder and lead balls but I could be wrong:
http://www.firearmsid.com/A_bulletIDrifling.htm
http://www.firearmsid.com/A_bulletIDrifling.htm
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by Master of Reality » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:22 pm
yes, handguns do have rifling, it was just first used in rifles, (which is what differentiated between muskets and rifles)
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by ButtDog » Sat Apr 12, 2003 6:16 am
" There's something they don't teach you in schools..."
And I am the one who believes that this type of stuff should be taught in every North American school.
If they teach the ancient art of archery, they should teach the art of shooting. Let American kids learn exactly what bullets do to a target. Teach them the chivarly of it, and teach them about "the hunt."
Back to the topic, *ALL* modern-day, hand-held, firearms are equipped with "rifled" barrels. That has been the "theory" of all hand-held weapons; even the muskette-type "gun-powder and ball shooting" carbines that Void was referring to. (They were loaded and shot the same way mukette rifles were, though highly inaccurate...see below.)
In the War of 1812, a British guy (he was actually Scottish...and I forgot his name) came up with the initial idea of the "six-shooter." Since he was an officer, it became an "Officer's Weapon" and when the British had to tuck tail and run (for a straight consecutive war
) that six-shot (actually, there were eights and twelves, and...on certain occasions 16s) that weapon was responsible for more American deaths than the entire forward infantry of the "red coat" lines.
The "six/8/12 shot" became even more recognized in the American Civil War. Once again, it was the only "sidearm" dispersed to forward officers in both armies. If forensecis existed in those days, many a historian would contribute to the fact the the Confederates won the battle of Harpers Ferry, the Battle of Leesburg, and the Battle of Point of Rocks, due to the modifications made by "the southerners", and their officer's unwilling mentality to surrender -- hence which brought about the deaths of 1800 "Union" troops. The Battle of Gettysburg was even more tramatic to the US.....with all of these officers equipped with these new weapons, fighting an "old-school-style" of British warfare, and when these new weapons were picked up by dying men, left ot bleed and die on the battlefield, 20,000 American lives were lost.
Once the end of the Civil War came near, and southerners cashed in on the new profits of their ingenuity, companies like Smith and Wesson were born, as well as the Remington Family (who took major imports from the UK.) When the US-"Spanish" War broke out, the US used thier new found allies and slaughtered a bunch of people. It is funny, well, not funny, that in LA, that you never see an "old-timer" from that era. I've been here seven years, and have yet to meet one. No one wants to talk about that war. And, other than a good joke between my ex-girlfriend and I (she is Jaliscena), it is never mentioned. Thos people love this country, and everything about us that makes us what we are.
Anyways, back to firearms....The American version of the .45 caliber was a fine sidearm. My uncle still has a Luger that he took off of some Kraut/Nazi back in WWII in the Invasion of France. I shot that thing once, and, I must tell you all, that is a fine piece of weaponry. Dispite "disarmament", Germany kept manufacturing good firearms...within the provisions of the treaty. The Glock 26 is probably the best gun I have ever shot (for a handgun.) Ilike the Desert Eagle (American .50 caliber) and the "Biritish Eagle" (same model gun)'
And, firearms are a good thing. Teach them, learn them, and teach the kids about them. Mikey Mooron is an idiot. Anyone can interview a group of rednecks and talk about how f--ed up they are. And then, the same idiot can go to Canada., and knock door to door.
Knowledge changes things. Idiots with cameras, and a crew, just bring idiocy to life...and on HBO.
So...what is everyone shooting?
And I am the one who believes that this type of stuff should be taught in every North American school.
If they teach the ancient art of archery, they should teach the art of shooting. Let American kids learn exactly what bullets do to a target. Teach them the chivarly of it, and teach them about "the hunt."
Back to the topic, *ALL* modern-day, hand-held, firearms are equipped with "rifled" barrels. That has been the "theory" of all hand-held weapons; even the muskette-type "gun-powder and ball shooting" carbines that Void was referring to. (They were loaded and shot the same way mukette rifles were, though highly inaccurate...see below.)
In the War of 1812, a British guy (he was actually Scottish...and I forgot his name) came up with the initial idea of the "six-shooter." Since he was an officer, it became an "Officer's Weapon" and when the British had to tuck tail and run (for a straight consecutive war
) that six-shot (actually, there were eights and twelves, and...on certain occasions 16s) that weapon was responsible for more American deaths than the entire forward infantry of the "red coat" lines.
The "six/8/12 shot" became even more recognized in the American Civil War. Once again, it was the only "sidearm" dispersed to forward officers in both armies. If forensecis existed in those days, many a historian would contribute to the fact the the Confederates won the battle of Harpers Ferry, the Battle of Leesburg, and the Battle of Point of Rocks, due to the modifications made by "the southerners", and their officer's unwilling mentality to surrender -- hence which brought about the deaths of 1800 "Union" troops. The Battle of Gettysburg was even more tramatic to the US.....with all of these officers equipped with these new weapons, fighting an "old-school-style" of British warfare, and when these new weapons were picked up by dying men, left ot bleed and die on the battlefield, 20,000 American lives were lost.
Once the end of the Civil War came near, and southerners cashed in on the new profits of their ingenuity, companies like Smith and Wesson were born, as well as the Remington Family (who took major imports from the UK.) When the US-"Spanish" War broke out, the US used thier new found allies and slaughtered a bunch of people. It is funny, well, not funny, that in LA, that you never see an "old-timer" from that era. I've been here seven years, and have yet to meet one. No one wants to talk about that war. And, other than a good joke between my ex-girlfriend and I (she is Jaliscena), it is never mentioned. Thos people love this country, and everything about us that makes us what we are.
Anyways, back to firearms....The American version of the .45 caliber was a fine sidearm. My uncle still has a Luger that he took off of some Kraut/Nazi back in WWII in the Invasion of France. I shot that thing once, and, I must tell you all, that is a fine piece of weaponry. Dispite "disarmament", Germany kept manufacturing good firearms...within the provisions of the treaty. The Glock 26 is probably the best gun I have ever shot (for a handgun.) Ilike the Desert Eagle (American .50 caliber) and the "Biritish Eagle" (same model gun)'
And, firearms are a good thing. Teach them, learn them, and teach the kids about them. Mikey Mooron is an idiot. Anyone can interview a group of rednecks and talk about how f--ed up they are. And then, the same idiot can go to Canada., and knock door to door.
Knowledge changes things. Idiots with cameras, and a crew, just bring idiocy to life...and on HBO.
So...what is everyone shooting?
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by Calum » Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:07 am
you obviously haven't paid any attention to the subject of said documentary. the general consensus was that it's not the proliferation of guns that increases deaths, but society's casual attitude to lives.ButtDog wrote:And, firearms are a good thing. Teach them, learn them, and teach the kids about them. Mikey Mooron is an idiot. Anyone can interview a group of rednecks and talk about how f--ed up they are. And then, the same idiot can go to Canada., and knock door to door.
Knowledge changes things. Idiots with cameras, and a crew, just bring idiocy to life...and on HBO.
So...what is everyone shooting?
i agree we should teach kids about guns and let them make their own minds up, but standing up for people's rights to shoot innocents to death or injury is not okay.
sounds like michael moore's accurate comments may have got under your skin though.
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