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Post by JoeDude » Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:07 pm

First....Why is there a ? after SuSE in the thread atagory?

Anyway...

I restrated my computer cuz I been running a P2P for like 20 days without a break and it was tying up a lot resources, so I decided a reboot was in order.

When everything came back up, I clicked on Web Browser (Epiphany) and it did all kinds of can't find site bla bla bla stuff. I then got a message that said run bonobo-slay in a terminal to fix the problem. It did fix it, but what exactly did it/I do?

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Post by Void Main » Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:28 pm

American CeNsOrEd wrote:First....Why is there a ? after SuSE in the thread atagory?
I think I might have added the question mark after the announcement that Novell was buying them. It was unclear what the future of SUSE was at that point. It was also unclear how open they would remain. It appears at this point that things are still just about the same as it was when SUSE was their own company so I could probably take the question mark off but they were always on the bubble as far as there being a SUSE forum on this site because you could not download SUSE in ISO form as well as a few other reasons.
I restrated my computer cuz I been running a P2P for like 20 days without a break and it was tying up a lot resources, so I decided a reboot was in order.
I thought that was only necessary in Windows, can't imagine a reason for needing to do that in Linux.
When everything came back up, I clicked on Web Browser (Epiphany) and it did all kinds of can't find site bla bla bla stuff. I then got a message that said run bonobo-slay in a terminal to fix the problem. It did fix it, but what exactly did it/I do?
bonobo-slay is just a Perl script that kills any running bonobo processes (according to the comment at the top of the script, take a look). A "-l" would have listed the bonobo processes but not kill them. If you are wondering what bonobo is, here is the description from the RPM that bonobo-slay comes in:
Bonobo is a component system based on CORBA, used by the GNOME desktop.
Let me guess, now you need a description of CORBA right? :)

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Re: What did I do?

Post by Tux » Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:56 pm

American CeNsOrEd wrote:What did I do?
You touched it.

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Post by Ice9 » Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:46 am

Void Main wrote:

...you could not download SUSE in ISO form as well as a few other reasons.
You can now:
Suse 9.1 iso

If I remember correctly you also had a few gripes about YAST not being open source and Novell has taken care of that I believe.

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Post by Void Main » Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:39 pm

Yeah, they put YaST under the GPL now right? Also, that ISO is just the personal edition. I do have a 9.1 install at home that I did via FTP. That's not a big deal if you have high speed connectivity but it would be nice if they placed the full version out there on ISO for those who don't have high speed. I suppose one could create their own ISOs.

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Post by JoeDude » Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:56 pm

Not that I would endorse copyright infrindgement or piracy or anything like that...but I did notice SuSE 9.1 pro is available as a 6 cd set and single dvd in Overnet/edonkey....
Being that this is the first Novell release....I am curious

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Post by worker201 » Sun Aug 29, 2004 1:29 am

If you get really desperate, I can mail you the Suse 8.2 Personal boxed set, complete with stickers to go on your computer case. That's damn close to open software, ain't it? :wink:

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Post by Void Main » Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:23 am

American CeNsOrEd wrote:Not that I would endorse copyright infrindgement or piracy or anything like that...but I did notice SuSE 9.1 pro is available as a 6 cd set and single dvd in Overnet/edonkey....
Being that this is the first Novell release....I am curious
You can't commit piracy with GPL software. That is a term that can only be used with proprietary software. Now, if SUSE includes some proprietary software in their pro ISOs then you can not redistribute those parts. Another possibility is that SUSE (Novell) doesn't want their trademarks distributed like this. I don't believe any of this to be the case but if it is then it needs to be removed from wherever you saw it.
worker201 wrote: If you get really desperate, I can mail you the Suse 8.2 Personal boxed set, complete with stickers to go on your computer case. That's damn close to open software, ain't it?
If there is a reason that it can not be redistributed (see a couple of examples in my above quote) then what you are suggesting is wrong. You should pick another distro that does not have such restrictions to redistribute. I will not allow any illegal discussion to go on here. If you can find out if it *is* ok to redistribute the entire Pro CD set then this would make me very happy and all will be good. I somehow think they must have a reason for not offering the Pro ISOs on their site. There must be something missing from the FTP install. Let me know what you find out.

EDIT: I have been searching for a definitive answer. I found something that appears to explain things nicely (and only slightly outdated):

http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Licensing_and ... ategy.html

Notice that the above document does not come from SUSE and is written by someone with no inside information. It would be nice if someone could find an official SUSE document. It would also be nice if someone could actually identify what proprietary software is included in the ISOs (as mentioned in the document) that isn't included in the FTP install.

This is somewhat like Red Hat Enterprise Linux. They do not offer free ISOs for download but it is not because of proprietary software. They "claim" it is for misuse of their trademarks and logos. Well, this is solved by removing said trademarks and logos and creating an ISO distribution without them:

http://www.whiteboxlinux.org/

I have always wondered why there isn't a similar effort for the SUSE distro. There must be more strings attached with theirs but I don't have any proof. I wish someone could provide some clarity in this area once and for all. Maybe now that Novell has purchased them we'll get a little more clarity but I won't hold my breath. Their history is making money from highly proprietary software.

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Post by worker201 » Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:29 pm

I did not mean to suggest any sort of piracy or illegal activity. I happen to own one license to Suse 8.2 Personal, and I would be willing to sell this license to AB for $0. This is perfectly legal, like a garage sale.

If the linuxmafia information was correct, I say go with the ftp version. The proprietary packages can be downloaded from their respective vendors, if they are desired at all. Personally, I would skip those packages anyway.

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Post by Void Main » Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:34 pm

Do you know what packages are included with the boxed set that aren't on the FTP install? Could you pull a directory listing of the CDs? There should actually be a gzipped directory listing on each CD. I could compare that with what is on the FTP server.

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Post by worker201 » Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:51 pm

Here is the listing for all 3 discs of Suse 8.2 Personal. If you can't find an ftp version of 8.2 personal, this won't help you much. But I'm nice, so I did it anyway.

It's kinda long, so I uploaded it:
http://www.triple-bypass.net/download/index1.txt

Looks like there is a lot of garbage on the first disc - dosutils - stuff they included to make this release more Windows friendly. A lot of that dos stuff might be licensed from MS.

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Post by Void Main » Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:01 pm

Hmm, I saw one file right off that isn't in the FTP directory:

BlackdownJava2-JRE-1.4.1-3.i586.rpm

But you can get JRE right from Sun or IBM. Also, since SUSE now puts ISOs out for their personal edition I was more looking for a listing of a more recent Pro version. Here's the FTP dirs:

ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/

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Post by Ice9 » Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:13 am

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If you can find out if it *is* ok to redistribute the entire Pro CD set then this would make me very happy and all will be good. I somehow think they must have a reason for not offering the Pro ISOs on their site. There must be something missing from the FTP install. Let me know what you find out.
bazoukas once looked that up if you remember
This thread has all the details.

So in the end the Suse guys find it ok if you share/copy/distribute their distro as long as you don't make any money out of it, which is perfectly understandable to me.
And why wouldn't they?
Mickeysoft has tolerated piracy for years and years because they knew that it was the most effective way to get their bloatware on almost every pc around the globe, it's only when they had +90% market share that they started to tighten things up.

So it wouldn't make any sense for an open source vendor, even with proprietary bits and pieces, not to let people share/copy/distribute their software, would it?

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Post by Void Main » Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:16 pm

Ice9 wrote:
Void Main wrote:
If you can find out if it *is* ok to redistribute the entire Pro CD set then this would make me very happy and all will be good. I somehow think they must have a reason for not offering the Pro ISOs on their site. There must be something missing from the FTP install. Let me know what you find out.
bazoukas once looked that up if you remember
This thread has all the details.
Actually the thread doesn't really answer any of the questions I have.
So in the end the Suse guys find it ok if you share/copy/distribute their distro as long as you don't make any money out of it, which is perfectly understandable to me.
I want to know what parts they are placing the restriction on. You can not place these kinds of restrictions on GPL software, it is against the license. So I have to assume that it was YAST in particular that they must have been referring to back then. Since Novell put YAST under the GPL they can no longer place this restriction in it either. Remember, 99% of the software in the distro is not written by SUSE and SUSE must respect the license that the authors of said software have chosen.
And why wouldn't they?
Again, because it is against the license. In fact if they place this restriction on GPL software they can have their right to use GPL software revoked.
Mickeysoft has tolerated piracy for years and years because they knew that it was the most effective way to get their bloatware on almost every pc around the globe, it's only when they had +90% market share that they started to tighten things up.
This has nothing to do with Microsoft. You can't pirate GPL software, the word does not exist. If SUSE wants to place these restrictions on their software that is fine, but they need to write their own software and choose a different license.
So it wouldn't make any sense for an open source vendor, even with proprietary bits and pieces, not to let people share/copy/distribute their software, would it?
The proprietary bits and pieces are the only thing that would prevent redistribution for free or for fee. If you have been following along that is what I have been trying to nail down. It's seems to be like nailing Jello to a tree though. For example. If the SUSE boxed set contains proprietary bits I should be able to identify those bits, remove said bits, and redistribute the resulting bits any way I choose (as long as I abide by the license of all the software I redistribute).

If you want an example of what I am talking about you can check out White Box Linux which is Red Hat Enterprise Linux with the logos and trademarks removed:

www.whiteboxlinux.org

Anoter example is Mandrake Linux. Mandrake is nothing more than a Red Hat fork. There is nothing that Red Hat (or SUSE) can do about this because of the licenses of the software that they distribute fall under. Actually, I don't even want to know about it for the above purpose, I just want to be able to create ISOs so I don't have to do network installs and I want to be able to redistribute those ISOs how I choose. Actually I don't even want to do that because SUSE is not my preferred distro, I just want to be able to give good advice to anyone who wants to do that.

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